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Interview 1 Chris Hardy
Jeffery Pritchett for the 'Paranormal Inquirer'
Written interview of Chris H. Hardy, Ph.D.
1. Would you please go into your perspective of the Anunnaki creating Eve? Also could you touch base on Eve being Tiamat?
CHH: As Nibiru, a nomad or rogue planet, was attracted in the gravitation field of our solar system and started to orbit our sun, a group of Nibirians, lead by Enki, son of the king Anu, settled on Earth in search for gold—to spray the gold particles in their upper atmosphere and thus repair their damaged ozone layer. They became known as the Anunnaki, i.e. the ones who came down from Heaven/Nibiru (An) to Earth (Ki). The Epic of Creation (Enuma Elish) gives an exact description of the planets the orbits of which they crossed while approaching the sun and Earth (including the major moons of Jupiter and Saturn), a wealth of information that has been corroborated only with the Voyager space probes (1979-1989). The waves of arriving colons were put to work in the gold mines in South Africa in such terrible conditions that eventually they revolted against the Commander of Earth, Enlil, half-brother of Enki and legal heir of Anu. Enki, the head scientist in material sciences, then proposes to the Assembly of the Gods to create a worker (lulu, or Man) to carry on the workload and that his sister Ninmah (head scientist in life sciences) will perform the genetic engineering of a hybrid species, mixing their own genome with that of an earth-born bipedal hominid. Assisted by Enki, Ninmah set to work in southeastern Africa; her first successful creation was Adamu/Adam, around 300,000 years ago according to the tablets, corresponding with the sudden mutation of Homo Erectus, a stable species since 1.9 million years who mutated to Homo Sapiens between 400 and 200 thousands years ago. Ninmah immediately engineered some clones to work in the mines, then she kept upgrading the genome to create Tiamat/Eve and female clones. As genetic donors, Adamu and Tiamat are revered and they are raised by their Anunnaki ‘parents.’ At that point Enlil demands that the wondrous First couple be brought to him in ‘Edin’ (Sumer) and install them next to Enki’s property at the east of Edin, in a kingly garden that featured, among other fruit trees, a Tree of Knowing and a Tree of Immortality (like the garden of his father the King Anu on Nibiru). The identification of Tiamat as Eve is based on many similarities between the Sumerian (and Mesopotamian) texts and the Book of Genesis, such as in names (Adamu/Adam, Edin/Eden…), in the presence of the two trees, in identical symbols (Enki’s symbol is the Serpent of Wisdom), and in the near similar events occurring, but with a definite twist stemming from the addition of a moralistic outlook in the Genesis text, more recent than the Sumerian tablets by at least two millennia.
2. What do you mean that the god who created us is not the same god that expelled us from the garden of Eden?
CHH: Ninmah and Enki, with the help of the son of Enki that we now call Hermes, performed a new DNA upgrading in the Edin, this time on the living organisms (under anesthesia) of the adolescent First Couple, by grafting on them their own bone marrow. This upgrading brought Tiamat and Adamu up to the intellectual stage of self-consciousness (self-reference in cognitive terms) and gave them procreative abilities as well. This upgrading was consistent with Enki’s and Ninmah’s secret plans that had been, from the start, to create a “civilized Man” able to carry on the torch of their human species and civilization on Earth, envisioning that in the long-term humanity would be able to take the lead when themselves would be a decadent and dying species.
This chirurgical act was done in the Edin/Eden (aka Sumer), but without Enlil’s knowledge and approval, thus running contrary to his long-term plans, supported by the vote of the Assembly of the Gods, that were to create a slave barred from becoming knowledgeable and immortal. We see on a revealing Sumerian depiction that Tiamat, ahead of Adamu, has not only been able to make herself a loin-cloth, but that she has built a makeshift table presenting a neat geometrical grid of wooden sticks (exemplifying her new rational abilities). On the same depiction, we see that when Enlil, Commander of Earth, discovered that upgrading, he became so enraged as to put his half-brother, whose emblem was the Serpent of wisdom (in fact the two entwined snakes that he will pass on to his son Hermes), in tethers, until the Assembly decides to free him of course. Enki in tethers is accompanied by his snake symbol and the Sumerian pictorial words “Buzur,” meaning “knower of secrets.” Overreacting, Enlil expels the First Couple from Sumer, and they will be taken back to the ‘Land of Creation’ (as corroborated by the Book of Enoch), in southeastern Africa.
3. Could you share some thoughts on Zecharia Sitchin with us and how his work influenced your work?
CHH: Sitchin was not only an expert on many ancient Middle-Eastern languages (including Sumerian) but also a biblical expert in Israel prior to his settling in the USA. He was the first scholar to understand the ancient texts without the blinkers of conventional science, the old paradigm being unable (until recently) to accept even the existence of intelligent civilizations in the universe; and given that our solar system is of a medium age, the statistics imply that many exo-civilizations are enormously more advanced technologically than us. Sitchin took the 3500 years old tablets’ accounts for real, when the Anunnaki stated they had given a kick to our human evolution. The presuppositions of the old paradigm were that a whole civilization came into being suddenly in Sumer about 4000 years ago, full-blown with the ecliptic divided in 360 degrees and 12 constellations, historical records of the Anunnaki wars and the lines of kings and queens in main cities, mathematics and geometry, metal mining and forging, writing and a form of printing, cities with gorgeous gardens and irrigation canals, complex architecture and art, garments and jewelry, poetry, law-code, etc. These ingrained assumptions made the majority of translators wholly unable to grasp aspects of the Anunnaki integral science, namely their space technology, genetic engineering capacities, and diamond-size computers monitoring whole infrastructures.
4. Would you go into suppressed sexuality through the ages and how Eve took the blame for it all?
CHH: As an ethno-psychologist having studied ancient cultures and religions, it’s crystal clear that the more you go back in time and the more sexuality is held as sacred and revered. Not only its birth-giving aspect, but the ‘sacred marriage’ as the conjunction of the two fundamental forces of the universe (as in the divine couples, the yin-yang, the king and queen in Alchemy…), and the interplay of the feminine and masculine aspects of any human being’s psyche, as the psychologist Carl Jung has shown. And finally, the sexual organs themselves are deemed sacred because they represent the divine life-forces of the universe, creative and at work, such as in the Shiva Lingam and Shakti Yoni in Hinduism. Furthermore, many eastern religions, as well as ancient shamanic religions, have a path of knowledge based on sacred sexuality, or Tantra, its highly spiritual goal being to attain the perfect state of unity and fusion with the cosmic consciousness and an inner realization of one’s full potentials. As for Sumer, not only the Anunnaki had a free and rather exuberant sexual and emotional life, but when Inanna, grand-daughter of Enlil, became “the first among the gods” and reigned as the Queen of Earth for a whole cycle, she was the one to start the ritual of the sacred marriage (sacred sexuality) in her own temple in Akkad. In this ritual, a goddess (herself) or a High Priestess would mate with an outstanding earthling man, thus starting bloodlines of the future kings and queens, High Priests and Priestesses of Sumer and Akkad. This custom was later adopted in the temples of many gods and goddesses, and we have traces of it not only in the Celtic feast of fecundity Beltane (during which many a Celt king and great Knight was born), but also in the more ancient Mystery cults in Egypt and Greece.
So that, when we ponder the fact that very ancient Sumerian texts describe how Enlil expelled the First Couple from Edin, we can’t consider for one second that the reason for his fit of rage would be that he deemed sexuality a sin. The reason, veiled but still worded out in the Book, was the fear, all along and until after the Deluge, that the new humanity would come to compete with them, the Anunnaki lords. Sexuality as a sin, as well as the Serpent symbol as satanic, are recent creations of the patriarchal era that saw religion switch from a family of gods to a sole deity, male, and increasingly more remote from us poor humans. And that’s how Eve took the blame, the adolescent girl at a pre-rational stage of development, wholly unable, in all logics, to distinguish good from bad before she ate the fruit of knowing good and evil, and yet accused of the evil deeds that men living millennia later projected on her. That projection made women live in hell for two dozen centuries afterwards.
5. It seems like to me that these alien gods who created us are egomaniac sociopaths kind of like the alien in Ridley Scott's Prometheus. Are there any alien gods out there who truly have humanity's best interests in their hearts?
CHH: I couldn’t agree more for some of the royals and I have devoted a full chapter showing the kind of ‘human-condition’ flaws they exhibit in the tablets—no wonder since we must have (my estimate) about 90% of our earth-human genome handed down to us by the Anunnaki. Fortunately for us, though, some of them have had the interests of humanity at heart, and specifically our three creator gods—Ninmah, Enki and Ningishzidda/Hermes. All along the tablets we see them teaching the first earthlings the whole gamut of sciences and social know-how including priesthood and governance, and very early on (in pre-Diluvial times) Ninmah gave the governance of her city Shuruppak to a line of ten earth-human kings (and their queen and consort) from Adam/Adapa to Noah/Ziusudra (similar to the lineage of ten patriarchs figuring in the Book).
6. What do you think about the Noah story and what god was in charge of making that happen and wiping us out and what about the Nephilim who were wiped out? Could you go into your knowledge on this?
CHH: Sticking to his visionless plans of the lulus remaining slave workers, Enlil, the Commander of Earth, got enraged by the multiplication of the human race and especially by the Igigi/Nephilim (the Anunnaki astronauts working on the space station in orbit and that of Mars) who, following their chief Marduk, had claimed the right to have spouses and families, and decided to marry women earthlings. (Marduk, son and heir of Enki, had indeed fallen in love with the earthling daughter of a High Priest, and got the assent of his parents for marrying her.) The Atra-Hasis Epic recounts that Enlil made two dire attempts at getting rid of humanity, the first one by a pandemia and biological agents, and the second through drought and starvation, and that both failed by virtue of the intervention of Enki. Undeterred, Enlil planned to achieve his goals at the next perigee of Nibiru, because some scientists had calculated that the planet would pass so close to Earth as to create a massive gravitational pull, and a world-wide tsunami and deluge that, in all probability, would erase all life on Earth. Enlil assembled the royal family and obliged them to swear to not disclose the fact of the coming cataclysm to the earthlings. Enki, as hard as he tried to avoid it, was forced to give his word but, intent on saving the seed of humanity, he will warn his beloved disciple and blood son, the king Ziusudra/Noah, and instruct him in constructing a submersible—the Ark—, while Ninmah will gather a databank of the genomes of animals and plants. Another gruesome fact is that, ahead of the cataclysm, all full-blood Anunnaki were offered by Enlil to either go back to Nibiru or else orbit around the Earth until the water recedes. Yet, he adamantly forbade that the wives of the Igigi, as well as all their children, get onboard the spaceships and be saved; Marduk pleaded in vain for saving the life of his beloved and his men’s families. Most of the Anunnaki royals stayed in orbit and came back. We may assume that Marduk and the Igigi (bypassing again the tyrannical orders) hid their families on the base on Mars that he had been the one to build with his father in the first place.
In the light of this ghastly and appalling Sumerian account of the plagues and Deluge as a means to obliterate humanity, it becomes crystal-clear that Enlil’s overriding aim and sole ‘moral’ code had been all along to preserve the purity of the Nibirian race.
7. What are some falsities that carry enormous consequences for us all?
CHH: Here are the most consequential falsities: the distortion of our past history, while obviously the editors of Genesis mused on vastly more ancient texts from Sumer, in order to fit so many past events into the monotheist frame; the blame on Eve and women for a deed that another god staged and which was highly beneficial to humanity at large; and of course the erasing of the feminine from the divine dimension and cosmic consciousness, with the drastic and dire effects on the daily lives of women that, millennia later, we are still grappling with.
8. Why do you think there will be no apocalypse and why do you think the good evil duality has never existed?
CHH: This is the crucial question regarding the leap in collective consciousness happening now on Earth. It's crucial because it's exactly the way the shadow powers and monotheists religions have tried to format and frame forcefully our minds and psyches: in terms of wars and antinomy. However, the leap means to reach a more global and complex outlook—one able to distinguish the relativity of concepts, especially that of 'truth' and 'good'.
Interestingly, the historical accounts in Sumerian and Mesopotamian tablets (dated as far back as 3500 BCE and thus predating by 2 or 3 millennia the oldest biblical writings) state clearly that at first there were Lords on Earth who decided to create a hybrid species 'to their image' in order to serve them. And indeed the words for 'worshipping' both in Sumerian and in Hebrew meant "to work for the lords;' in brief: to worship meant to serve the gods in a literal sense.
Of the royal family commanding the earth, each member of the older three generations built first his/her own temple, and then, when the earthlings had multiplied, a city around, whose inhabitants perforce venerated the god/goddess of the city.
Studying the tablets, we can see that there was a clear overlap of meaning between “enemy” (always another royal in their city) and “evil.” Whoever was willing to stay neutral or non submitted to this particular lord and city was by definition the evil enemy and of course even more so when this lord was the King of Earth and Heaven and Commander of Earth, Enlil.
Thus we see clearly described in the Erra Epos that the sin of the “sinful cities” of nowadays Palestine and Israel, including Sodom, who were nuked by the clan of Enlil, was strictly to be the dwelling of his enemy nephew, Marduk, and his followers.
We have come, mostly through science and philosophy, (1) to realize the relativity of any truth and good and (2) to move beyond a ‘me versus others,’ either A or non-A, view of the world, that is, beyond a dualistic and schizophrenic outlook so as to welcome the complex and paradoxical nature of reality. In this light, the so-called “apocalyptic and final battle between Good and Evil,” always conveniently set in the future, is only the projection, voluntarily fear-inducing, of an obsolete and limiting view of reality. Let’s remember that the goal of an explorer of consciousness in eastern religions has been described in ancient treatises of the Vedanta philosophy as moving beyond duality and reaching a harmonized inner state, able to make us aware of the cosmic consciousness pervading the universe.
9. This is a wild card question. What would you like to share from the book that our readers might find interesting?
CHH: Thanks for this opportunity! I want to share what I sense about our immediate future. All the signs are that science is trying to patch up a gaping hole in its knowledge, in domains in which information, in my opinion, had been forcefully suppressed for a long time before emerging suddendly in the present time at a great pace. Here are a few: the astronomically high probability of exo-planetary intelligent civilizations (EPICs) in the universe, lots of them statistically bound to be vastly more advanced in their technology and science than us; the ‘discovery’ of nomad or rogue planets 100,000 times more numerous than suns, and the likelihood of part of them having an atmosphere and moons; 95% of the energy in our own universe (meaning 95% of the stuff of reality) are still unaccounted for and an ‘unknown’ to our physics (the only certitude being that dark energy is of a nature wholly beyond energy-particles, EM fields, and spacetime); the fact that consciousness and psi are not constrained by EM fields and the spacetime manifold; the religious and then scientific lid that had tightly sealed off all signs of an advanced civilization existing on Earth before the Deluge as well as the accounts of our alien ancestors engineering humanity’s genome (as analyzed in the present book); the cover-up on age-old contacts with aliens and recent interactions with visiting EPICs as well as with alien survivors of crashes. And we must add to this load of information (suddenly becoming not only available but a sheer scientific evidence) the growing number of people who think that intelligent life on exo-planets is likely, 56% of Americans according to the 2008 Scripps UFO Poll.
All of this has to be understood (by the psychologist I am) as a surging wave in the collective unconscious indicating that numerous people are attuned to a pre-contact of sorts; this, in its turn, makes the official recognition of, and actual Contact with, EPICs a very near outcome. And this means that Contact is so near now, it is already unfolding, that we have to weigh any crucial issue—I’m talking here about global governance and religious groups stands—in the perspective of this imminent Contact. We have to ask ourselves: “Let’s see this issue as if I was 10 years from now, receiving the daily news from the galactic federation on my computer or TV screen: How will I look having taken this stand?”
10. What are you up to next book wise or projects wise and also any links you'd like to share with us? Thanks for this interview.
CHH: The work on DNA of the Gods, while a tough process, had a totally unexpected effect on me afterwards: it generated an incredible sense of liberation, as if I had dispelled some dark shadows, a baggage from a long forgotten past I hadn’t even known I was carrying. And then came the vision of the meta-dimensions of the universe before the Big Bang, that fitted perfectly with the Semantic Fields Theory (a theory of nonlocal consciousness) that I’ve been elaborating and expanding since the nineties. So that’s going to be my next book.
Chris H. Hardy, Ph.D.
Author of DNA of the Gods
Ph.D. in ethno-psychology
http://chris-h-hardy-dna-of-the-gods.blogspot.fr
Interview 2 Tom Baker
1. How did you initially go about getting into the subject of UFOs personally that lead you to create your new book, "Midwest UFOs and Beyond"?
One of my earliest memories is of lying in the backseat of my parents' car, on the highway from Texas to Indiana, sometime in the early 1980Ãs. A strange lighted object flew past the back window. I initially thought it was an airplane; then it struck me that airplanes weren't perfectly round. I remember sitting bolt upright in the seat, looking at my unsuspecting parents in the front seat. Curiously, I simply lay back down and fell asleep. When I woke up, my parents were screaming. I couldn't tell what they were screaming about, so, oddly enough, I WENT BACK TO SLEEP SOMEHOW. When I woke up, everything had returned to normal. All my mother will say about it today is that the car headlights kept going out for no reason while they were driving, which had never happened before. Go figure.
2. What can you tell us about the 1890's airship sighting manned by two men riding bicycle contraptions?
Such absurd anomalies are endemic to UFO lore, which seems to function on a different set of rules and principles than average, conventional reality. Perhaps the phenomena, as suggested by the late John Keel, moulds itself to fit the cultural expectations of the observer. This in no way invalidates the experience, but does make it fit into a specific frame of reference largely dependent on what the witness or experiencer expects. On the other hand, UFO sightings from different parts of the world sometimes have many of the same features, even when reported by witnesses from wildly divergent backgrounds and cultures so, I don't know.
3. How about the Nurse at Roswell warning people to get out of Roswell due to the alien autopsy?
An apocryphal tale, to be sure, but one that resonates in a kind of mythological sense. Was there really an alien autopsy? Possibly; logic dictates that if anything can happen, it probably has. The alleged autopsy films from twenty years ago are eerie, but ultimately seem to have done little to decide the matter one way or the other. True believers believe, and skeptics are still skeptics.
4. Could you share some information with us about your findings on the Men in Black?
It's been rumored that Ufologist Gray Barker started this Men in Black idea as a prank to promote his book They Knew Too Much About Flying Saucers.î Of course, John Keel, a more reliable researcher, also wrote about his encounters with them. A UFO enthusiast named Albert Bender closed up his international flying saucer fan club, supposedly after being warned away by three Men in Black. I personally saw a man in a black van pull up beside me and offer myself and another witness a ride, maybe an hour before a startling close encounter UFO sighting. The mythology about three men goes straight back to the Bible. Vampiric entities are, historically, said to be ìMen in Black.î Government agents often wear black suits and shades. And so on.
5. What about animal mutilation do you believe it is of alien origins?
ItÃs interesting. The notion of cattle rustlers from beyond first turns up in the apocryphal Alexander Hamilton sighting of the late 1800Ãs, which is generally derided as a hoax. There, a mystery Martian Airship attempts to lasso a cow, which is later found strangely mutilated this idea goes back a long way. A more intriguing and frightening concept are the few incidents of human mutilations and bizarre disappearances/deaths that can be associated with UFOs. Most of these are related to radiation sickness,î and involved people in South American countries or very remote places.
There may be various unknown entities that feed off of pain or bloodshed. I'm not sure.
6. Could you share a story about bed side visitations with us?
Sure. This happened to me at least three times, probably more, as I was growing up. If it has happened in recent years, I am unaware. The first inkling of the incidents to come was being attacked in my bedroom by an invisible weight, while sleeping, at maybe the age of twelve.
Maybe a year later, I woke up at night, paralyzed, with the Hooded Entity standing over my bed. Interested person can go to Google or You Tube for more information about the Hooded Man/Shadow People. It's an enormous black demonic figure with long, crooked fingers, red eyes, and no face. And, of course, a hood like a medieval monk. I saw this same figure twice, the second time in the company of a giant, white, skeletal being that looked like an oversized praying mantis, with Grey Alien eyes and long, skeletal fingers. The last thing I remember of this was seeming as if I was outside myself screaming, and then passing out. The next day, I felt very groggy and ill, and it took me forever to remember that anything had happened at all.
7. Would you tell us about the incident involving a UFO and a car chase?
That was the police incident in Ohio. I'd have to go back and reread the particulars, but it inspired the chase scene at the beginning of Close Encounters. I've read the interrogation of the police officers involved, and they swore as to the reality of the incident. Also, they swore that what they chased through to the Ohio border was no aircraft of earthly origin.
8. This is a wild card question of sorts. What would you like to share with us from your book that our readers might be interested in?
Anyone needing a quick primer on the topic of UFO history and all the various facets of the phenomena will not be disappointed. I tried to include everything of relevance, including my own experiences, and detail the various emotions and creeping sensations (and religious feelings) this subject stirs up in me.
9. Why do you think some are chosen for abduction by aliens from elsewhere?
Uncertain. In some instances, lifelong involvement with these entities might be a sign that they view you as intellectually or psychically especially on the other hand, many abduction accounts sound as if they simply occurred out of a matter of convenience for the abductors, such as Travis Walton, Betty and Barney Hill, the Allagash Abduction, etc. So, I really am uncertain. I suppose it all goes back to issues of memory, possibility, what is tangible versus what might, possibly, be a product of fantasy-prone individuals. Again, not saying this doesn't happen, just unsure about the particulars. There's a long mythological history of humans being abducted by a non-human other race, such as in the medieval period.
10. Do you have any links you'd like to share with us and also whats next on your agenda for upcoming books? Thanks.
Sure. Interested persons can go to tombakerbooks.weebly.com to see my website. As far as upcoming books, I have one title being published by a small press called The Moon Publishing and Printing, and that's a book of sort of surrealistic and experimental fiction pieces based entirely around my dreams and nightmares. Some of that stuff has been published on my blog, at tomb76.wordpress.com. Otherwise, IÃm currently working on a book of horror and ghost stories for teenage readers, which is going really well. After that, who knows? I work based around intuition, and what I feel God wants me to do at the time what I'm supposed to do. That includes writing, but also experimental music and recording, and even visual art.
And with that, I want to thank you as well. It's been my pleasure!
Interview 3 William Birnes
1. What lead and inspired you to create a companion series for your television show UFO Hunters and what can we expect
from Book One?
The idea for a companion two-book series for UFO Hunters came out of a meeting between the publisher and A&E during the first season of UFO Hunters to talk about the background stories of the cases we covered, the episodes themselves, and the behind-the-scenes set up of the episodes.
2. Would you share some details about the chapter The Episode That Wasn't: The Las Vegas UFO?
That episode started with an email from a person who described himself as Colonel X, and Air Force officer who said that in an area near the national forest outside of Las Vegas there was a reverse-enginered UFO being test flown. He offered to help UFO Magazine film it and provided some information about its anti-gravity technology. He said that it was developed from research done at Area 51. We covered his story in issue 22.9 (#138). When we were setting up for the first episode of UFO Huntes, I received a call fromDowning of TWA Flight 800 author Jim Sanders saying that there was s strange very bright light above Las Vegas that was not the moon, not Venus, and not any star that he could identify. So we paid a visit to Sanders house to see what he was describing and we brought along a high resolution telephoto lens to capture the object on video. It was so bright and we were so intrigued by the sight, we traveled up to the national forest to get a better look from a position outside the light pollution of the Las Vegas strip. We had interfaced the telephoto lens and camera to a star map on the computer so that we could determine whether we were looking at a star. But the map showed no visible stars in that position in the sky. And we identified the International Space Station in another location in the sky. From the object's stationary position, we knew it couldn't be a falling meteor or comet. It was not a plane or helicopter because it was not moving. It just seemed suspended. When I texted back to UFO Magazine that we had found and photographed the object, suddenly its lights went out and it seemed to sink below the horizon. We had already videotaped the object so we packed up and headed back to Sanders' house to see if the object was visible from his driveway. It wasn't. Worse, he said he actually watched the object sink below the horizon. However, when we left his house, he phoned me, saying that as soon as we drove off, the object came back up again. Finally, I asked our aviation expert consultant, Bill Scott of Aviation Week what that object might have been. He said it was a government surveillance platform that was scrubbing all photo and electronic data and was able to read our license plates and tap in to my text messages. When it saw our convoy leave Sanders' house, it came back up. Scott said they were funning with us. When we realized we had videotaped a top-secret surveillance platform, we scrubbed the episode.
3. Could you share some fascinating details about Before Roswell: The Maury Island Incident?
First of all, we knew that the most prominent feature of our investigation into Maury Island wasn't really about a UFO because all the players in that story from 1947, except for Kenneth Arnold, had other agendas. This was really a conspiracy story with one key mystery: what caused the crash of the B-25, allegedly carrying UFO slag, over Kelso, Washington and why was the plane dispatched to investigate and bring back the slag in the first place? But as we set up the episode, we were met with immediate hostile resistance from a group that was planning to write its own book on the case and sought to prevent us from going to Kelso to search for parts of the downed B-25. We had to comply with various Washington State archeological regulations to even get onto the crash site even though it was privately owned and the other researchers had no exclusive rights to the property.
The investigation into Maury Island was straightforward enough, working with UFO historian George Early and collecting slag samples from the Maury Island beach and from underwater in Puget Sound. There was nothing anomalous about any of the samples except that we determined that they were very heavily ferrous. When we reached Kelso, however, things began to pop. We found the wreckage and inspected the crash site, but were paid a hostile visit by a next door neighbor who came over to challenge our pressence. He was packing a handgun in a holster on his belt. When we explained that we weren't leaving, had state permits to film on the property, and had permission from the property owner, the neighbor left. Shortly thereafter, we heard gunshots and it seemed he was firing his weapon over our heads. Next visit was from the County Sheriff, who asked to see our permits, was satisfied that we were fully credentialed to be n the site, and left. Pat and I then did some historical research on the personalities involved in the plane crash and found that two Army Air Force technical sergeants were passengers on the plane and had been ordered to jump out by the plane's pilots as the plane was going down. The pilots stayed aboard to navigate the plane away from inhabited areas and into the dense woods of Kelso. But the two technical sergeants filed crash reports with the Air Force and described how a fire broke out in the plane's bomb bay, which spread to the wing and brought the plane down. The pilots were the heroes who stayed with the plane and died in the crash.
We wanted to know why the Army Air Force sent the B-25 in the first place and why did they agree to take some of the iron slag back to their home base? Turns out that co-pilot Lt. Frank Brown had investigated the Kenneth Arnold case and determined that Arnold was an upright straight-shooter who did not fabricate his story of sighting a small fleet of strange craft over Mount Ranier just a few days after the Maury Island sighting. Arnold's credibility led Frank Brown to become rely on Arnold's investigative involvement in the Harold Dahl, Fred Crissman Maury Island story even though Arnold was being paid by Crissman for his services. Thus, when Crissman persuaded Brown to carry the slag reportedly collected by Dahl back to California, Brown agreed and stored the box of slag in the B-25's bomb bay. Our issue then was why did the plane catch fire? Was the material that the pilots were carrying some strange UFO material? That was our science segment. Our science producer and Ted Acworth assembled a mockup of a circuit breaker similar to the one in the B-25's bomb bay. Then we placed the slag we had collected near the circuit breaker. The breaker was overloaded, did not trip the circuit as it was supposed to and caught fire. That provided us with a plausible explanation for the fire that eventually spread to the rest of the plane and comported with the descriptions of the two tech sergeants.
We then located one of Frank Brown's descendants and showed him his great uncle's comments about Kenneth Arnold's integrity which explained the reason for Brown's involvement. We provided closure into Frank Brown's death and what happened to the plane. So no UFO, but a great story and final closure for two hero pilots, the first fatalities of the newly formed United States Air Force which had separated from the Army inAugust 1947.
4. When it comes to USOs aka Unidentified Submerged Objects what is a fascinating case you can share with us?
I've always been fascinated by 911 calls to the Lost Hills Sheriff's Station in Malibu from witnesses who saw craft exiting the water from Santa Monica Bay and then flying away. The other case involved a USO sighting and encounter on Coronado Island off San Diego when a USO appeared over land and frightened some campers there, which encounter might have involved missing time.
5. What can you share with us about Jeff Harvey's regression session plus the object that was extracted from his thigh? Which of course is from the abductions chapter?
Jeff Harvey had said that he had a UFO sighting when he was a child, which sighting his father also had. He said that he believed he had had subsequent encounters and said he had an implant on the upper inside area of his thigh. We were able to locate the subcutaneous object, found that it was responsive to a heavy magnet, found that was generating a radio frequency, surgically extracted it, and took it to Seal Labs for metallic testing and a chemical analysis. What we found was staggering. The object was a metal shard but human flesh and tissue were actually growing out of it. It wasn't just that flesh adhered to the object. Flesh was actually part of the object, something that is impossible under ordinary circumstances.
When Yvonne Smith regressed Jeff, he described an encounter that occurred when he was a child in which his mother was sent to another room in his house, his grandmother could not protect him from a threat, and the entity threatening him was creating a screen memory to prevent him from ever finding out what had actually taken place. Yvonne explained that she wouldn't attempt to force a recovered memory during the first regression session. It would take a few more sessions before Jeff's mind would accept what had been a clear threat to his person and to his psyche.
6. Would you tell us about the two young men spoke of in the book who claimed ET ancestry?
Both Michael Lee Hill of Ohio and Terrell Copeland had had numerous UFO sightings and had taken very compelling video of UFOs in their respective locations. Both said they had actual psychic communication with the UFOs, which had seemed to announce their presence in advance. In Terrell's case, he said that he had psychic abilities since he was a child and described an incident in which strange people told him that he had to study his "star seed." Michael Hill said that he was also instructed to study his connection with ETs. After Terrell told us that he had been discharged from the Marines because of an unidentified blood disorder, we decided to investigate by setting up blood work at Massachusetts General Hospital. We also had Michael Lee Hill tested as well. What we found out was that both experiencers had a blood anomaly, a secretion of protein from their muscles into their blood which did not seem to be environmental in origin, but because Michael and Terrell were as culturally diverse as any two people could be, having that blood disorder was a very strange occurrence. Maybe their UFO encounters experiences had done more than simply impressed themselves upon their memories. Maybe their relationship with UFOs went far deeper and involved some sort of hybridization between humans and aliens.
7. What can you tell us about the wreckage of a private plane the military buried in the Mexican Desert?
This was one of our most productive episodes because we were working from a document called the Deneb Report that authors/researchers Rubin Uriarte and Noe Torres wrote in their book about Mexico's Roswell. It was a report of a crash between a private plane and a UFO, spotted by US radar, over the Coyame desert just over the border with Texas. Although the Deneb Report, written by an unknown person to an unknown group, was very specific about the crash and retrieval of the UFO by a Mexican Army unit and their transport of the object back to their base and the sudden radio silence of the group, which was later discovered by US surveillance to have died along the road, there was no other confirmation of the crash itself or of attempts by the US Army, which entered Mexican territory to collect the crash debris and bury and burn some of it in the desert. Our goal was to locate the crash site and see if we could determine what had actually happened to the material.
We found the crash site and found that debris had been stuffed into a mine shaft and burned with a highly volatile accelerant whose residue was spread around the mine shaft. We even recovered US Army petroleum tanks as well as airplane parts and other debris. In other words, insofar as the crash and disposal of the airplane debris was concerned, we confirmed what the Deneb Report described.
8. Would you tell us about the UFO photographed over Area 51?
One of the first things Ted Acworth did when we arrived at Area 51 was to set up an array of surveillance camera to cover the airspace over the base. We captured a strange light over the base, which at first seemed to be a falling meteorite because of its brightness and flight pattern. However, when Ted and photo analyst Terrence Masson did a frame-by-frame analysis of the video they found that the object was traveling in a straight line and not falling but in what looked like a controlled descent. What made the video even stranger was that what we thought was the object disappearing behind a mountain was really the object turning off its lights before it went behind the mountain. In other words, there was something artificial about the object. It was self illuminating and was in a controlled flight and both Terrence and Ted said that, absent any other identifiable information, it was a UFO by definition.
9. How about the 1000 year old skull that had been discovered in a cave in Northern Mexico that had no human DNA in it?
This discovery was made by a teenage girl early in the 20th century, whose family eventually have it to a neonatal nurse for evaluation, assuming that it was the skull of a child who had died from water on the brain. It was a 900 year-old-skull. However, when the nurse examined the skull she found that it was not from a hydroencephalitic child because all the bones had knit in a symmetrical pattern. But there were real anomalies. She handed the skull to Lloyd Pye for testing and he found that the eye sockets were in the wrong place, too shallow to be human eye sockets. Also the way the skull would have been balanced on the spinal chord was all wrong for a human being and there was a strange red type of ribbon running through the skull bone. The skull was very thin, too thin for a human skull, but so dense that when Lloyd tried to cut through it for a sample, it wouldn't cut. Genetic testing at first showed that the skull had nucleic DNA that did match any DNA in the NIS database. So it was not identifiably human. However, analysts thought that it might have human mitochondrial DNA. If so, it would have been a clue to a form of invitro fertilization, something that would have been impossible 900 years ago. Nor could a hydroencephalitic child have survived 900 years ago. It turned out upon a preliminary sequence of the skull's genome that there was no human DNA match in the skull's cell mitochondria either. This was a true anomaly, which is where the research is today.
10. What can we expect from BOOK TWO and do you have any links or parting words you'd like to share with our readers? Thanks.
Describing giant triangles, the strange mutilated cow embryo from Dulce, the Phoenix Lights, the Aurora mystery aircraft, and James McDonald's lost UFO files and the conspiracy surrounding his death.
Bill Birnes Bio at UFO Hunters.com
Interview 4 Timothy Wyllie
1. What is your prime motivation for sharing the knowledge contained within Revolt of the Rebel Angels The Future of the Multiverse?
Having spent the last thirty years immersed in the study of non-human intelligences--primarily dolphins, extraterrestrials and angels--I must have been being prepared for a long, extended, and extremely intimate relationship with Georgia, my name for the discarnate rebel angel with whom I'm writing this new series of books. The first volume, Confessions of a Rebel Angel, came out in 2012, published by Bear & Company, who also published Revolt of the Rebel Angels and Rebel Angels in Exile, which will be coming out in 2014.
To answer your question more directly: I'd never intended to try to publish Georgia's Confessions all the time we were writing the first book--I thought it was far too personal because Georgia's writing is so honest and revealing. Completing the first book, however, Georgia made it clear that she felt it would have a wider value if it did get out there. So I was both surprised and affirmed when a publisher as selective and effective as Inner Traditions/Bear & Company appear to be taking on the series. Of course, it's ultimately going to depend on sales and whether other people resonate with what Georgia is revealing.
I think of them as very much Georgia's books although it's truly a collaboration rather than merely a channeling. We work together as though she was sitting beside me or looking over my shoulder. She shares concepts, anecdotes, what she has observed and experienced during her half-million-years posting on the planet. We also agreed when we started off that Georgia would also tell my biography but from her point of view. What she observed and heard that I didn't know about; that had happened around me or behind my back. Fascinating, of course, but sometimes more than I bargained for! But the arrangement had to stand. I've Georgia's observations were going to be helpful to the reader, they had to be honest and openly expressed.
I should also say off the top that I don't write my books to try to convince anyone of their "ultimate truth" of my words. Mainly I write for my own inner understanding, focusing on what I don't know rather than what I do. These are not areas for which there is any external evidence, so it's more about developing an efficient working intuition and then putting out the information and may attention to the level of resonance the information creates in the reader.
As the basic thesis that Georgia is exposing concerns the incarnation of an increasingly large numbers of rebel angels--perhaps as many as 120 million so far, she tells me, and all over the world--most of whom are unaware of their angelic heritage and yet feel very different from normal human beings. This is about personal redemption on the part of the rebel angels; an opportunity to make amends by living as a mortal under the very conditions the rebellion encouraged--for better or worse.
Much of this basic information is contained in The Urantia Book, although it is from the point of view of the same authority against which Lucifer and his angels were rebelling. I explored the nature of this obvious bias in more depth in my first book Dolphins ETs & Angels.
Georgia says she is writing her Confessions for the benefit of those angels who supported the Lucifer Rebellion and who have now entered human incarnation to experience the best and the worst of the human condition.
So, I'd say my personal motivation for writing these books with Georgia is threefold: I'm fascinated by the information contained in Georgia's perceptive insights; I relish the challenge of maintaining a long-term creative relationship with a discarnate, non-human, entity, of high intelligence; and, writing with Georgia is proving to be the richest sources of relevant and valuable information I've yet come across.
Plus, of course, I just love this work. I'm having the time of my life and I'm thrilled to be finding an audience with the modest success of the books.
2. How does the book of Urantia fit into all of this?
I first bumped into The Urantia Book in the late 1970s and quickly realized it was an authentic document--it was what it claimed to be, more than 2000 closely-reasoned pages, excellently written, and transmitted from the angels and faithfully relaid in that are still-mysterious ways. This transmission started in around 1905, continued through until the later 1930s, and was published finally in 1955. I've read a lot of cosmologies but in spite of the telltale bias that I mentioned earlier around the Lucifer rebellion, I found this was the model which resonated most closely with my own experiences and with my intuition. It's a challenging read that acts as much a as an intelligence-accelerator, as it does as a massive information download.
I've come to appreciate that Georgia must have guided me to take in the UB in the first place knowing it was going to be the model that she would be using in her Confessions. I needed to have developed both the appropriate vocabulary for her use, as well as the broadening of understanding that the UB creates in the attentive reader.
Georgia is telling her story through the lens of the planetary history as described in the UB, either because that is what she experienced, or because that model is the metaphor most closely aligned to what she wants to explore and reveal. Regardless of the metaphor used, Georgia's primary interest seems to be to understand the ancient past for the erroneous decisions taken that have ended up producing the situation we find ourselves in today. Given that we live in an inhabited Multiverse, with millions upon millions of planets inhabited by sentient beings, it's hard to imagine that this is the best way to administer a fledgeling world. There wouldn't be an inhabited Multiverse, if the inhabitants of all the other worlds were as belligerent and uppity as this one.
Something else must be going on! And it was just that question which got me curious enough to plunge into what's become a lifetime exploration of what might be going on behind the scenes--behind the scrim of materal reality.
3. Could you tell us about the rebel angels being forgiven by God and being brought back into the fold?
To claim that the rebel angels have been "forgiven" is something of an oversimplification that I believe my publisher used as back-cover blurb on one of my books. As far as I understand it, it's not so much that "God has forgiven the rebel angels" (personally, I don't think God had much of a hand in it), but more that the rebel angels have been given the chance to forgive themselves (to put it in those terms). Georgia intimate in her books that the rebel angels are being given the opportunity to incarnate as a mortal on one of the 37 planets affected by the rebellion.
These are not "evil" beings, they are mainly administrative angels who were swept up into the call for more individual freedom and a call for greater independence, both for angels and for the mortal inhabitants in this System of Planets. (A Planetary System includes 1000 inhabitable, or to-be-inhabited, planets, of which something over half were already established with intelligent life at the time of the rebellion. Earth--called Urantia in this model--is numbered 606 out of the 1000).
Angels and humans are quite different species, existing in different frequency-domains. As far as I know the experiment of angels incarnating as mortals is generally believed impossible--"Like squeezing a rainbow into a Coke bottle," I heard from an angel contact some years ago. This is no trivial affair; it's truly an extraordinary experiment and a deeply spiritual affair, the results of which would not become clear for a while. Almost all of the approximately 120 million incarnate rebel angel currently living as human beings are completely unaware of their angelic heritage--many would likely dismiss it out-of--hand--because the task at hand is to live the life of a human being. Yet any one of them will have felt they are somehow quite different in some fundamental way from "normal" men and women, often starting with family members. One of Georgia's reasons for including a biographic narrative of my own life story has been to illustrate some of the challenges and opposing forces I've had to deal with during my 73 swings around the sun, has been to create moments of sympathetic resonance whereby readers, who are themselves rebel angel reincarnates, might have an awakening jolt of deep intuition.
We awaken incrementally to our true natures and identities.
4. Who exactly is the angel known as Georgia?
Georgia says she is a relatively junior angel of the Order of Seraphim, who was assigned to this planet as part of the first off-planet intervention 500,000 years ago, as part of Princess Caligastia's large team of angelic helpers. Her function was primarily observational, reporting back to the Prince's staff in Dalamatia, the city they'd constructed on the southern coast of the Persian Gulf, now long disintegrated and underwater.
At the time of the Lucifer Rebellion 203,000 years ago, Georgia had already been witnessing the beginning of the serious problems and conflicts arising among the Prince's staff. When the choice was finally made as to whether to stay faithful to the old guard, or follow Lucifer and their Prince, 60 of the 100 primary members of his staff elected to follow the rebel path.
Georgia is unusual in that she was one of the relatively few rebel angels who remained on the planet after the rebellion to serve as a Watcher. With the exception of occasional short visits to half-a-dozen other new-by inhabited planets, she has served continuously on this world until the present day. Getting to know Georgia, as I have over the years, has allowed me some invaluable insights into the nature of the angelic intelligence, its limitations and its strong points. Although angels in general are not sexual beings, both Georgia and I agree that our relationship is closer to that of lovers, in many ways even more intimate as I feel her active within my inner world. I suspect it's only within the bond of supreme trust--with all the attendant risks--and the loving affection we both feel that only deepens from the poignant pleasure we find in our differences. Perhaps it's only within this level of psychic and spiritual intimacy that a project such as ours could successfully take place.
5. Where is Lucifer now exactly and is he helping with Earth any at this time in a positive manner?
To the best of my knowledge, Lucifer has been removed from the scene and what we are experiencing on the planet right now is an unwinding and exposure of all the corruption and rottenness baked into pretty much every field of human activity. That's why it appears so horrible when we switch on the News. I've had no experience which has led me to think Lucifer is currently playing any active part in this world's affairs. He'd fulfilled his function, unsavory though it might have been--we don't always get the cute roles!--so now the overall world situations is more of a clean-up operation. This planet, one of the 37 to fall to rebel control, gradually devolved until it's now known in terms of its general condition as "the third to worst" of the ten million inhabitable planets in this Local Universe. Yet, not only does it provide fertile soil for the practice of mercy and forgiveness, but it has great value as an arena for toughening up errant souls.
6. Could you tell us more about the celestial quarantine?
At the time of the Lucifer Rebellion, so says the Urantia document, the Multiverse Authorities placed not only this world, but the entire System of 1000 planets, under a general planetary quarantine. The effect of this was to minimize extraterrestrial visitations to prevent, so the book tells us, the odious influence of the rebellion spreading beyond the System. It also had the effect of making the angels who attend us withdraw somewhat from our conscious awareness. We were on our own in a seemingly empty Multiverse..
The quarantine appears to have been designed to contain the rebellion, while allowing the rebel-led planets an opportunity to develop their own social and political systems free of MA's oversight. It was as if MA told Lucifer and the rebels that they'd made their beds, now they may as well sleep in them--but you'll get no help from us!
I have speculated that these interplanetary rebellions--admittedly rare but not entirely unknown--function as experimental laboratories both to shake up the bureaucratic administration of the Local System, as well as a way of introducing novelty into an essentially benign and well-meaning cosmic theocracy.
The central demand of Lucifer and the rebel faction was a demand for greater freedom of choice, both for themselves and for the mortal beings on the planets they served. They wanted to accelerate the otherwise natural (and painfully slow) process of growth and development of the mortal races. MA's agents, in their turn, did their worst to resist the rebellion before appearing to wash their hands of the affair, isolate the System, and vilify the rebels as deluded reprobates at best, and as self-serving, power-mad, manipulative monsters when they really get going.
In a sense, the revolt of the angels was somewhat similar to a rebellious child trying to break away from kind but old-fashioned parents, all sides completely convinced of their own rightness. Both parents and child are totally committed to their different approaches, neither prepared to show weakness lest they invalidate their own positions. And, as any parent knows, allowing a child too much freedom of choice can lead to terrible mistakes and serious errors of judgment; allow too little and you create a drone, or you force a rebellion. Thus, there are three basic ways of thinking about the Lucifer Rebellion. As an interplanetary disaster that has severely retarded the progress in this System of planets, led by Lucifer, an insane egomaniac, who was charismatic enough to delude countless angels, as well as the celestial overseers of 37 inhabited planets. Or, the second: Lucifer as the one who had the courage to challenge, and ultimately, to rebel against, an overbearing, centralized, self-important, and downright boring, bunch of bureaucratic goody-goodies.
The third way is to step back and understand the Lucifer Rebellion as yet another scheme in an unfolding Cosmic Drama. In this we all play our parts, angels and mortals alike, hopefully with as much personal commitment and originality as can be summoned. The Bard was right. Except the stage is the Multiverse, not merely the world. A dualistic reality is a continual dance of opposing elements, each containing the seed of its opposite. The balance will be constantly shifting as the system responds to both the internal and external pressures it may undergoing. Thus, the climate, for example, is clearly constantly moving towards an optimal state of equilibrium. With sentient beings, seeking this balance becomes a little more complicated. Here, the resolution to these opposing forces rests not in a constant conflict, but in a heartfelt synthesis which can include the best and most thoroughly-made aspects of each side of the conflict. I think of this moment of resolution as the Lucifer Redux Shift. It's that moment when opposing elements resolve their differences, learn from one another and move to a new level of collaboration. Rare enough these days--and in some fields it's anathema to seek synthesis, usually occurring where the delusion of winning remains so tempting--yet such resolutions are sometimes experienced in music. You can hear or experience it in freeform music, there can be a moment whem the players resolve their differences and seemingly magically unite to create an entirely new piece of music.
7. Who is Planetary Prince Caligastia and what was his role in all of this?
Again, the UB tells us that all inhabited worlds possess two "Planetary Princes" who are basically overseeing angelic activity and are responsible for the general progress of their planet's mortals' move from a purely animal intelligent to a state of consciousness which can sustain the indwelling of Great God. Planetary Princes, together with their staffs, are posted to a world after the emergence from purely animal consciousness of the primary portal species--in our case, they arrived about half-a-million years after the human species made that evolutionary leap into a full biological and cortical independence from their animal forbears.
On a normal world--one not affected by the angelic revolt--the Planetary Princes, along with their staff and host of angelic helpers, continue to serve on their planets for many tens of thousands of years, shepherding their mortal wards through the many stages necessary to reach a high start of planetary civilization. Mortals from these worlds would be quite aware of the existence and work of the Prince's staff, as well as the handful of subsequent interventions. They would be fully aware of the coming and going of extraterrestrials and they would know that they were truly citizens of the Multiverse. On a rebellion-affected planet we know nothing of all this.
Prince Caligastia, like all Planetary Princes on their different planets, was imperceptible to mortal senses. And similar to all angels, he wasn't capable of entering human consciousness if not specifically requested, but his influence among the angels themselves was far more profound and dangerous. Most of the problems this world has faced in the last 203,000 years can be placed at Prince Caligastia's feet. He, far more than Lucifer or Satan, can be identified in devilish terms.
8. What experiences have you had paranormal wise to validate that you are indeed having contact with these beings?
I have been having paranormal experiences of one sort are another for much of my life, many of which I've described in my three books of the DETA cycle (Dolphins, Extraterrestrials & Angels 1984; Adventures among Spiritual Intelligences 1992 and 2001; and the Return of the Repel Angels 2012) In a realm in which there is no obvious evidence or objective proof I have found it's in the development of my intuition that I've been able to make some progress in my researches. Developing the intuition is of great value to the angels as they can then make a more reliable connection with us when needed.
Having been an architect I have a fairly down-to-Earth aspect to my personality which balances out my commitment to the more subtle regions. Here's how I approach this issue: if and when I have a paranormal event occurs--and I check it for any obvious explanations--and it feels real, I throw myself wholeheartedly into that experience. If it is real it leads me on to the next stage; if it's unreal or a delusion, it will soon drop away, or it will reveal itself as false.
Must importantly, I write primarily for my own understanding and not to convince a reader that I have it all correct. It's merely the best model I've found so far that seems to work for me. It's far too complicated an interplanetary and interdimensional situation for any one person to have more than a scintilla of the truth--and be thankful if they get that right!
For me, it's entirely to do with resonance. With intuitive insights that allow us to feel the truth of a claim from another source, internal or external. I'm not interested in "converting" anyone--I don't need the ego-gratification of another's agreement--I am interested, however, when my thesis strikes a familiar chord in a readers heart. When readers start waking up to their true natures, my books and insights merely illustrate the stepping-stones one person is taking on his own journey. And as I am not trying to prove anything, or convince anyone, this allows me more freedom to be wrong. It's by letting myself be wrong that I can lean; get it right first time--well, it's cool and all, but nothing significant will be learned. Get it wrong and learn from the error and the sky's the limit.
9. Could you go into your life a bit with the Process Church and how that came about and ended?
I regard The Process Church as a Mystery School for the accelerated spiritual awareness of some mighty intransigent souls who needed the peculiar experiences and harsh conditions of complete immersion in a spiritual community. I wrote about this far more fully in my book, Love Sex Fear Death: The Inside Story of The Process Church of the Final Judgment, that was published in 2009 by Feral House.
Among the gifts I received in my thirteen years of commitment to The Process, but by no means full, were as follows: a working familiarity with such unacceptable names as Lucifer and Satan; that Jesus's admonition to love our enemies was a real and practical guide to a good life; that we are all responsible for both everything we say and do, as well as whatever that happens to us; that for every intention in a dualistic setup, there will always be elements present of a counter-intention; that the negative imprints from previous incarnations can affect the psyche of the present life.
The Process started in London, England, in the early 1960s and went through several iterations before it imploded between 1977 and 1978. Perhaps a dozen of the original members now run Best Friends, a large animal sanctuary in Utah, but they no longer consider themselves a religious organization.
I left the community in 1977 very grateful to be out and free. I'd given away my power so completely to Mary Ann, the prime mover of The Process, that in taking my power back I was able to appreciate how unknowingly we can give away our power. It can happen whenever we surrender the integrity of our decision-making facility to another person, or another ideology. One of the great values of such an intense closed community is the challenge to somehow develop a sufficiently strong intention that is needed to break the bonds and leave the group with a renewed sense of self. The revolt which caused the final dissolution of The Process Church was largely of my instigation and was the result of Mary Ann and her cronies' rejection of my call for greater freedom and for more personal responsibility to make our own choices. I was amused when later I discovered I was unknowingly emulating Lucifer's squabble with the Multiverse Authorities, as I was subsequently castigated and reviled in somewhat the same manner when I decided to leave The Process. But it's not that uncommon an experience in a world where the domination of others rates such high value.
10. What are you up to next book wise and do you have any links you'd like to share with us?
In 1982 I decided to write a book every ten years to chart the impact that intelligent non-human beings were having on life in this world. The first, Dolphins Extraterrestrials & Angels was published in 1984 and remains in print. It was republished by Inner Traditions/Bear & Company, as Dolphins ETs & Angels.
The second book, Dolphins Telepathy & Underwater Birthing, came out in 1992 and was republished by Bear & Company in 2002, retitled Adventures among Spiritual Intelligences. The third book of the series, Return of the Rebel Angels, was published by Bear & Company in 2011, and was a summation of what I've learned so far. I'd always pictured the DETA series as a trilogy--as those three books. Rather pompously, I thought of these three books as a service to my fellow humans. However, I've no doubt if I'm still around in the 2020s, I'll be writing about our interactions with a host of different interplanetary visitors, in an a general atmosphere of open acceptance.
Right now I am more interested in continuing to collaborate with Georgia on her further Confessions. I'm learning so much from it. We have by now completed height volumes and there will clearly be more to come. With Bear & Company publishing the first three volumes--the third, Rebel Angels in Exile, emerges in 2014--it's my hope they will continue to publish the series if the interest and the sales figure to justify it. I've been taking a nine-month sabbatical from working with Georgia, but as I write this on the first day of October 2013, I can sense Georgia's enthusiasm brewing for our next sessions--which I've told her will start again next month in November 2013. I'm starting to get excited about it again myself. While I wrote the DETA trilogy with the intention of serving my fellow human beings, I think of my work with Georgia is my service to my fellow changelings, all those incarnate rebel angel who are likely reading these words.
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Special Thanks to and used with permission from
Jeffery Pritchett
